Cables that change the sound are designed to suppress some portion of of the audio spectrum and they charge a good amount of money for the privilege. If you’re a real movie love, you can’t go wrong with these tower speakers as you will hear the true meaning of clarity. Yes, those are moving-coil woofers. When I unboxed the 40i’s for the first time, I was rather disappointed. Conductor Type: Golden Ratio, Constant Q, Crossfield, Pure Copper, Litz, I am 100% confident that the Cardas cables let info through that your inexpensive cables lose. IME, it's pointless to argue with someone who believes there's "one true way" to build a audio system, and this is all off-topic, so I'll leave it at that.Â. If you are in the market for a new pair of floor-standing, small footprint, full-range speakers, put these on your short-list and try to give them a good, hard listen. The AMT tweeter is still the star of this show. I know that there are many, very good speakers in the $2000.00 a pair range. Having heard multiple demos of the company’s speakers over the years, I’ve always been a fan, yet never had the opportunity to review a pair. Bi-wiring doesn’t really do anything positive. Sometimes you get what you pay for and sometimes you get more than you pay for. The current Motion Series of non-ESL (dynamic-driver) speakers from ML encompasses some thirteen models ranging from bookshelf to floorstander, with the 60XT the premium offering. I am not a fan of previous ML speakers. https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/reviews/martinlogan-motion-40i-review-r864 For proper bi-amp performance you want a small signal crossover BEFORE the amplifiers. John Bagby, who has always been active in Paradigm daily business, takes on the role of Managing Director. Soon I was marveling at how good these speakers actually sounded! MartinLogan Motion 40 are $200 more expensive than the average speakers ($499). I forgot to tell you about the subwoofer, the Dynamo 800X. It’s just an incontrovertible fact of physics that if two interconnects sound different, it’s because the two cables are attenuating different portions of the audio spectrum and both are wrong. Speaker cables are different in that the impedances involved are low; less than  1 Ohm usually for the amplifier (assuming solid state here), and nominally four or eight Ohms for the speaker. I investigated biwiring my system with dual and single 10' runs of Linn K400 13ga cable. In short, they’re gorgeous. > "bi-wiring if one believes in such a thing". Therefore, some portion of the tweeter’s passband has to be attenuated. Cables that change the sound are designed to suppress some portion of of the audio spectrum and they charge a good amount of money for the privilege.Â. Yes, those are moving-coil woofers. Not saying he is not smart enough, his business acumen is stellar, but not sure of his engineering background. https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/58081-bi-amping-discussion/, Now, I've tried most everything, including bi-wiring. User's Manual (PDF 3.4MB), Hi George - Thanks for the review. De Amerikanen hebben met name het uiterlijk verbeterd, wat mijn bescheiden mening is overigens. It cannot have gain, it can only have losses; it can only attenuate signals, and all wire does this to some extent! So MartinLogan Motion 40, while being a pricier option, tends to get more favorable ⭐ reviews than the $689 Klipsch RP-8000F, as seen on the chart below. When one pulls the bellows back apart, those spaces re-appear. phase effects:Â, http://www.empiricalaudio.com/computer-audio/audio-faqs/bi-wiring-speaker-cables, and IM effects: https://www.qacoustics.co.uk/blog/2016/06/08/bi-wiring-speakers-exploration-benefits/, Biwiring is in no way essential, but if I have speakers with dual terminals and biwire cables, I will definitely use them.Â. The elegant Motion 20 & 40 tower speakers are the newest additions to MartinLogan's award-winning Motion Series. My review samples came in a lustrous black cherrywood, though more basic finishes of piano black and gloss white are available. Read Full Review Here. It crosses over at a slightly lower frequency but the result is the same – effortless ESL-like upper midrange clarity and high frequency extension.Â. A phone conversation with Devin Zell of MartinLogan assured me that whatever run-in these speakers received at the factory, they undoubtedly needed more. At a very minimum, biwiring is equivalent to halving the length your speaker wires. For this review, we are interested in the next to the largest floor stander, the Motion 40i.Â. ML’s new Motion Series speaker, to be priced at around $3000/pair when it is available in the late summer, is a big brother to the Motion 40 tower. There is an exception to that. MartinLogan makes an entire line of loudspeakers employing the AMT tweeter, and they range in price and size from the Motion 2i, a small bookshelf model starting at $US200 each all the way up to the large floor standing “flagship” 60XTi at US$1750 each. The diaphragm in the tweeter consists of a pleated Polyamide sheet arranged so that the pleated area is facing the listener. Bi-wiring doesn’t really do anything positive. I don’t think that changes the physics, do you? Martin Logan 60XTi measurements from NRC here Bowers 702 S2 measurements from Stereophile here Unfortunately two different measurement techniques, so it's not an exact apples-to-apples comparison. When the pleats are squeezed together, on one half of their cycle, they compress the air between each fold, displacing it and when the pleats expand again, on the other half of the cycle, they rarefy the air as it rushes in to refill the voids between each fold. Dielectric Type: Teflon®, Air If you had the Motion 40s, you will absolutely love the 60s. Every configuration sounded different; single run to tweeters with short K400 jumper cable to woofer, same except connected to woofers first, and finally biwired.Â. This pinpoint image specificity and wide, deep soundstage is, as far as I’m concerned, the only justification needed to recommend true stereo miking on acoustic music recordings! I was replacing my beloved MartinLogan Aeon-i electrostatic hybrid speakers with these and found them thin and forward in the midrange with a slightly nasal quality. That might just cinch the deal. Which one you want?” My first response was no, because I’m not really a sub guy—even though I like messing around with them on the odd occasion that I have one on hand. Sign up for a new account in our community. The sound also changed when I single-wired with jumpers on the tweeters vs. jumpers on the woofers. Here are the rest of the specs: Outside Diameter: .600" Inductance uh/ft/loop: .034 Am I not right? Again, different brands of cables affect the speaker sound differently. The 35XTs have more in common with the Motion 15s when it comes to looks. That's why I say that bi-wiring cannot add anything to the sound, only subtract something from it as it must. With it’s combination of usable, fairly well controlled bass down into the mid-30’s coupled with a low-distortion midrange driver, and an exemplary Air Motion Transformer tweeter, it’s hard to find a better pair of floor standing speakers for under US$2500.00. Cable awg: 8.5 Though it was demmed with Peachtree amplification, the speaker suffered from the suboptimal room acoustics. MartinLogan also launched its new Crescendo wireless speaker system at CES, which uses a 24-bit/48kHz DSP engine, a single 5"x7" polypropylene-cone woofer, and two Folded Motion tweeters. Readers will remember that several months ago this reviewer wrote about the company’s bookshelf Motion™ 4i speakers. This will affect the frequency response curve of the speaker by attenuating the signal less. At the bottom of the cabinet is a Helmholtz resonator (a round -in this case- bass-reflex port with an internal pipe connected to it). But again, we are dealing with an AC signal so, no speaker cable is not going to affect the entire audio spectrum linearly. I have 12ga zip wire, Linn K400 single and biwire runs and Cardas Neutral Reference bi-wires. At a $2,000 price tag, the MartinLogan Motion 40 loudspeakers could be either. I played them more or less continuously over the next week (using the 192 kb/second MP3 Internet feed from WCRB Boston). The IM and phase improvements vs. single wire are a bonus. It can accept audio data via Bluetooth and AirPlay. (edited to correct bone-headed spelling error), Long term listening is great for getting used to changes between any new configuration or hardware over the previous configuration or hardware. I intend to start a new thread on this topic, as I find it fascinating and complex. If a cable does something poorly, it will become evident with extended listening. Martin Logan Motion 40 Tower Speakers As I mentioned earlier, when you can look at speaker options between $500 and $1,000 it opens up the opportunity to explore different speaker designs. One can believe what one wants, but if one does the maths, they tell the story. fraudulent), but I will say that it’s engineering provenance is “dubious” at best. Capacitance pf/ft: 117 If you like that better, well, that’s up to you. It has to take something away. The other characteristic they have is a deeper soundstage compared to the Linn K400 bi-wires and generic 12ga cables I own. I had the opportunity to review this new set in both music and cinema configurations. Scott Bagby, one of the original founders of Paradigm Electronics, will continue as Chairman and will assume the role of CEO. When they do that at an audio rate, sound is produced. They're in the top 3 bestselling speakers and have dozens of popular alternatives in the same price range, such as Klipsch RP-8000F or Klipsch Synergy F-200. I think he designs the cabinets more than the innards of his speakers because he was a truck driver before his speaker days. The Martin Logan’s will reward the listener when care is paid to matching the components of the system. Measuring 42.5" x 7.6" X 12.8"(107.9cm X 19.2cmX 32.6cm), it consists of two woofers in the bottom part of the cabinet and a midrange and tweeter in the top. Dat bedoel ik positief, want evolutie of nieuw betekent niet per definitie beter. Believe me, this subject is neither rocket science nor magic. For instance, if you prefer the bass of a solid-state amp, you might want to put that on the woofer, but if you prefer the sweet open high-end often attributed to tubes, then you might want to use a good-sounding tube amp on the tweeter (perhaps even a low wattage SET). Both the 5.5” midrange and the two 6.5” woofers have an aluminum cone in a non-symmetrical chamber format and a cast polymer basket with a rigid, structured dust cap to reduce cone breakup and any modal resonances. Even if you are stuck with the speaker’s built-in crossover, you will still get benefit if, for instance the two amplifiers you are using have vastly different sonic signatures. They still sound great and Dirac Live takes care of any room issues. Lately, we are seeing a resurgence in people who are interested in larger, full range floorstanding speakers. Now you’ve got the true advantages afforded by bi-amping! A lot of their success is due to the “emperor’s new clothes” syndrome coupled with the fact that human aural perception is extremely suggestible. If you place your hand close to the accordion’s bellows while someone is playing it, you will feel a rush of air as the accordion is squeezed together. The upgrades on the Motion 35XTi speaker ($649.99 each) are subtle, and termed “housekeeping” by the company’s Peter Soderberg. JA’s Best Sound at CES: Vandersteen’s Model 7 Speakers, DartZeel's Integrated Streaming Amplifier, Meridian’s Bob Stuart & 25 Years of Digital Loudspeakers, SMT Ceiling Treatment in the Marten/Meinwald Room, Analog Corner #290: The Haniwa LP Playback System, Gramophone Dreams #44: Audio-Technica, Goldring, LP Gear phono cartridges, Cambridge Audio CXA81 integrated amplifier, PS Audio Stellar M1200 monoblock power amplifier, Analog Corner # 305: Degritter record cleaner & Aidas Gala Gold LE cartridge, Acoustic Geometry Room treatments (before & after), My current and likely the last home audio setup, Fascinating wiev by Verity Audio Sarastro, Recommended Components: Fall 2020 Edition. Still, I never felt cheated with the low end the Motion 40s delivered, especially ... Martin logan 40 Towers. You agree that capacitance, inductance and resistance change with biwire vs single run. The MartinLogan Motion 40i speakers are rated at 40 to 25KHz ±3dB and are recommended to be used with amplifiers ranging from 20 to 300 Watts/channel and have a sensitivity of 92dB/2.83volts/meter. So, if Mr. Vandersteen or anyone else hear’s an improvement, it’s because they like a certain portion of the high frequency spectrum being reduced in volume. B&W sensitivity might be a … This was confusing because the note on the packing slip told whoever was in charge of dispatching these speakers to me to be sure to see that they were run-in for 100 hours and inspected before they were sent out. In most cases, it doesn’t apply significantly to audio due to the lengths involved, coupled with the very low frequency band width of an audio signal. There are a gazillion examples of "Masters in EE" who disagree with audiophiles, and I would point out, with designers, some of whom also hold Masters in EE. Even if you are stuck with the speaker’s built-in crossover, you will still get benefit if, for instance the two amplifiers you are using have vastly different sonic signatures. There have been a review or two so far mentioning the 60xt's would benefit from Room Equalization software which is the reason for my inquiry on the amp used on this review. MartinLogan has used this design on previous models, but this new generation boasts a 40% larger diaphragm area. Going up the spectrum the aluminum coned midrange is clean and well balanced. While ESS still makes speakers employing this technology (down to around 800 Hz), the patents have expired and many companies now build variations on this theme. Not my cup o' joe. Small but perfectly formed, it was the musical performance that really impressed: here was a hybrid AMT/dynamic speaker that really worked, a miniature that really delivered – a rare beast indeed. Most likely it will makes the speakers sound worse than they did with single wiring. I have no doubt that these speakers have usable bass response down into the mid-thirties but, bass reflex designs, to me, have always been a bit wooly and these speakers are no exception. A metal grille attaches to the baffle with magnets, and has a set of indented perforations in … One advantage of Integrated amplifiers is no interconnects. It has to change something, and since wire is passive, not active, it can only attenuate, not amplify. While my Aeon-i’s are likewise a bass reflex design, the bass seems to be a bit better controlled than that of the Motion 40i speakers. Bi-amping with a low level adjustable crossover before the amplifiers, of course, is a different kettle of fish altogether.Â. It is commonly stated that long interconnects with short speaker cables is preferred over the opposite. It's … If you like that better, well, that’s up to you. Martin Logan, the company best known for it’s electrostatic speaker designs, is now a subsidiary of Paradigm. And yes, it definitely changes the sound of the top end. Not a lot, but did it change, on direct comparison, the character of the sound. Martin Logan seems to have hit a nice balance with the [Motion 15s], the first speakers of their kind from Martin Logan, there is a lot to like here. Mr. Vandersteen is a wonderful person to talk to. The physical characteristics of the wire determine the performance of the cables, not the price.   That means that the longish cable runs add significant resistance to the overall impedance characteristics of the amp/speaker interface. Dispersion is aided by the driver unit’s design which has a drive-stabilizing dust cap on the bass units, a stiffened motor sus… If you are worried about the WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) take the lovely lady along with you and show her the red walnut finished cabinets. The AMT used in this speaker is identical in size. Get your old music out with these beauties because you will hear things you’ve never heard before. The Motion 40i speakers have a nominal impedance of 4Ω and are compatible with all solid state and most tube (valve) amplifiers as well. In addition to three floorstanders, the series includes the ultra-slim (less than 2″ thick), SLM models, as well as dedicated center-channel and sound-bar speakers targeted at home theater. From Martin-Logan, the electrostatic company. I had breakfast with him at AXPONA once. Like I said. De MartinLogan Motion 40i is geen revolutie, maar een evolutie. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. #7: Martin Logan Motion 60XT. He is a great story teller and a generally nice gent. MartinLogan is an American speaker manufacturer (although its main factory is in Canada) long known for its hybrid electrostatic/cone loudspeakers. I listen for flaws. Dr. Heil invented this concept in the early 1970’s and applied it a line of speakers built by the firm of ESS in South El Monte, California. In an accordion, when one squeezes the bellows together the space between the pleats goes away. It's easy! Martin Logan Motion 35XT I reviewed MartinLogan’s miniature two-way Motion 15 loudspeaker back in Issue 98 and it was quite the surprise package. Sure it can change the sound, but I assure you it is subtracting something rather than adding anything. This piece has a bass line that is truly spectacular. I like to hear all opinions, from all sides. But you really should know what’s actually going on.Â, I asked if you had ever tried biwiring, you responded with reasons why you believe it isn't worthwhile. With the top grill removed, the speaker looks like a typical small bookshelf or desktop speaker with the low frequency driver topped with the tweeter. I assume that you have not tried, and are therefore working with limited information. Crystalline highs but no body.Â. ... Three speakers in the new Motion Series (the Motion 60XTi, 50XTi, and 35XTi) feature upgraded Folded Motion XT tweeters, which boast a 40% larger radiating surface than the standard model. Have you ever tried bi-wiring? Searching on the Parts Express web-site, I see that they carry a number of AMT tweeters ranging in price from about US$20 each to US$120 each. We review the new MartinLogan Motion 40i tower speakers and the 30i center channel with four motion 4i’s surround speakers. Sure, capacitance, inductance and added resistance do, indeed change the sound, but measurement wise, not for the better  (unless it is taming a peak in the speaker's frequency response). Very concise.Â, I have a soft spot for MartinLogan and I'm always interested in its speakers. But it's better than nothing. For instance, if you prefer the bass of a solid-state amp, you might want to put that on the woofer, but if you prefer the sweet open high-end often attributed to tubes, then you might want to use a good-sounding tube amp on the tweeter (perhaps even a low wattage SET). The Motion 40i retails for US$1199.99 each. And secondly, the fact that one cable is better at, say,  rejecting RF interference than the other is not part of the equation? Remember, wire is a passive component. These base parameters are enough to change the sound, IMO, but there are other potential factors as well, e.g. But unless you have access many different brands, models, and gauges of wire with which to experiment and some fancy measuring equipment, finding a combination that will improve the sound of one's speakers by attenuating peaks in the FR, for instance,  it's almost impossible to predict the results. For instance; a length of RG-59 coax (of the kind usually used between audio components) of 50 ft, will attenuate a 20 KHz signal by just about 1 dB. If you, like me, tend to associate MartinLogan with electrostatic transducers, you may be surprised to learn that their more traditional Motion line accounts for most of their sales. Because it changes with frequency. I use Cardas Neutral Reference bi-wire speaker cables. Judging the value of a cable swap is best determined with extended listening time. The Motion 40i is a tall, narrow “tower” speaker of the type so popular these days. The cabinet on the review sample is finished in very high quality red walnut wood and is available also in a gloss black or a matte white cabinet. I ended up purchasing the entire ML system, Motion 40 fronts, Motion 8 center, Motion … BB representative asked me to give a listen to the Martin Logan. On the other hand, I am not a fan of his speakers and have had a pair of 2ci's. and although the company is still based in Kansas, its speakers are now made in Canada. ‘If breathtaking, lifelike audio accuracy is important to you, you owe it to yourself to hear MartinLogan.’ Dat is nogal een uitspraak en we namen de proef op de som door een paartje MartinLogan Motion 40 vloerstaanders aan de tand te voelen. Now you’ve got the true advantages afforded by bi-amping! Vocals come across with just the right amount of weight and articulation. I was surprised by how much clearer the ML was compared to the other 2 brands. Consider that the MartinLogan Motion 40 is in a competitive price point. Mostly, with cable swaps, and bi-wiring schemes it's a crap shoot, and I have found that many audiophiles, impressed that the sound changes, automatically assume that it's a change for the better, whether it is or not because in their minds, different is always better. Het ontwerp is nu nog wat interieurvriendelijker geworden met meer oog voor detail. Also, while we’re on the subject, bi-amping a speaker that won’t let you bypass the built-in cross-overs, is also, mostly futile. Quick changes and A-B testing are useful but not definitive. My opinion is that using cables, either interconnects or speaker cables as a fixed “tone control” is wrong-headed.Â. Of course, the larger the cross-section of the cable (AWG) the lower the cable’s impedance (resistance, capacitance, inductance). As far as cable is concerned, it’s like upping the gauge to the wire, but if you are splitting the woofer and tweeter by removing the shorting straps at the speakers and connecting them back together at the amplifier, all you are really doing is moving the place where the woofer and tweeter are joined from the back of the speaker with just a very short, low-resistance strap to a long, higher resistance cable. Instead, the Motion series is a cone-based speaker system that employs Oskar Heil’s “Air Motion Transformer” (AMT) technology for it’s high-frequency driver unit. When Home Theater Review’s editor called to ask if I’d be interested in reviewing MartinLogan’s new Motion 40 speakers, I jumped at the chance. My opinion is backed by decades of listening in my room, with my system and my music. Read honest and unbiased product reviews from our users. Each cabinet weighs 49 pounds (22.2Kg). One could, contemplate the ElectroMotion ESLs for about the same price, but I have friends who have these speakers and as good as they are, in my opinion, the Motion 40i’s are a better value. We ran them in over several nights, though we don’t think they were fresh from the box, given they immediately relished running at high levels, where beats punched out of the lower aluminium drivers with powerful punch and terrific tautness, kick drums having no smear, no un-natural overhang whatsoever. My opinion backed by a Masters in EE. In the end I decide for myself what I like best. No doubt. If you have speaker cable that changes the sound of your speakers dramatically, then you’ve bought cables that were designed to do so (like those hyper-expensive cables from the likes of MIT, with their in-line boxes which have controls on them). I mean you have replaced a very short strap with a long piece of wire. “How about a sub? The compressing pleats push air out from between the pleats as that space is eliminated by the compression. On the back are four of the well-regarded MartinLogan proprietary “wing-nut” shaped, tool-less hand tightened 5-way binding posts capable of handling bare wires, spade lugs or banana plugs. The Motion 40 is a three-way speaker with a 1” x 1.4” Folded Motion Tweeter, a 5.5” aluminum-cone midrange, and two 6.5” aluminum-cone woofers, respectively crossed over to each other at 2600 and 500Hz, and mounted in a rear-ported cabinet measuring 42.5”H x 7.6”W x 12.8”D and weighing 49 pounds. But when I listened to them and realized how closely the Motion 40s reproduce that airy crystalized sound that Martin Logan … The speaker uses the largest yet Folded Motion XT tweeter to come from MartinLogan, marrying it to a 6.5" midrange unit and a pair of 8" woofers. Initial impressions can be misleading, it takes time to determine a cable's strengths and weaknesses. I will link the new thread here. From Martin-Logan, the electrostatic company. There is an exception to that. 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